The (zoom) seminar opened with Ken Taylor from Wisconsin offering lessons from current US children's services for the UK. He discussed fragmentation, rising demand, race, equality and equity, demographic changes and political beliefs. Ken's slides are here. Sir Michael Marmot, director of the Institute for Health Equity, University College, London, charted recent trends in health inequalities in the UK and compared the findings in Ten Years On and Covid-19 Review with those in his 2010 report Fair Society, Healthy Lives. Tim Hobbs, CEO of the Dartington Service Design Lab, then talked about New Horizons for Evidence and economist Tony Ellison explained why income and wealth inequalities despite growing wealth, and why taxation and welfare reforms are eschewed by governments.